Comments on: Rep. Frank Lasee still doesn’t get it

By: MoneyedPoliticians

MoneyedPoliticians — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:00:59 +0000

I disagree Ezag. Money talks. Without the payola these jerks would be voting for their people rather than their pocketbooks. Spending money stupidly does not keep them in office. Campaign money does. Without it they’d be thrown out by the voters.

By: ezag

ezag — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:35:34 +0000

Finance reform won’t do it. Congress and the executive have too many degrees of freedom on taxation and spending. They will undermine any reform to get at the money. Better to tinker with the constitution and make a permanent change in the regulation of congress rather than the regulation of the electorate.

By: MoneyedPoliticians

MoneyedPoliticians — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:57:56 +0000

And as I sit here watching Colin Powell endorse Obama, I fully realize that I am supporting a horse that is not going to finish first in the race. My vote is not going to put McCain in office, but it will be for who I want to represent me going forward.

I do respect Powell and those backing Obama, and feel that Obama will also be a pretty decent president. He certainly can’t be any worse than what we now have.

The only chance for McCain (at this point) is for the Dems to get over-confident and not show up at the polls. And if we are really lucky, Obama will tap Doyle for a federal job and move Barb Lawton into the governorship. She is absolutely superb on her support for strong ethics in government. Powell will likely be tapped for Secretary of State, which would be an excellent choice.

By: MoneyedPoliticians

MoneyedPoliticians — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:49:07 +0000

John, if he and Feingold would have passed their bill in its original form, it would have been good for the country. But because a (so-called) “maverick” fails to get good bills passed under a corrupt political system, is not reason to blame the maverick. Blame the political system, if you will, but not the guy who is bucking it. The only way I could give you a yes to your question is if McCain were like the rest.

That’s the same answer you could give if I asked the same question of Obama.

By: John Freeland

John Freeland — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:17:03 +0000

Jack:

I think you are backing the wrong candidate for POTUS. Can you identify one piece of legislation McCain sponsored and got passed during his 25 years in the Senate that improved the lives of average Americans?

By: MoneyedPoliticians

MoneyedPoliticians — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:19:19 +0000

Well, I’ll have to take your word at that. As I recall, you are either a legislator or staffer on the GOP side, and must certainly know all of the games that can be played.

But if a “pulling motion” was not attempted, it was likely because the insurance industry greased enough palms on both sides of the isle to block its consideration. We have the best government money can buy, don’cha know?

And that’s the whole issue, Publius. It’s “be careful of what you ask for” time. The cash-and-carry system of politics has gotten this country into deep trouble. It’s the Democrats and Republicans alike that have given away the store, and in this case the GOP will suffer and in the next case the Dems will.

But right now the nation and world is heading for a deep crash all because of the US political system. None in the legislature or congress can be happy with where they have led us.

By: Publius

Publius — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:02:52 +0000

It didn’t stop them from introducing a whole host of other pieces of bad legislation. If HW is what the public wants, then certainly introducing it and forcing a vote on it – it’s called a “pulling motion” – would have been the GOP’s downfall, right?

I’ll grant you that there is plenty of other things that may cause the downfall of the GOP in the Assembly, but Healthy Wisconsin ain’t one of them…

By: MoneyedPoliticians

MoneyedPoliticians — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:20:24 +0000

Oh give me a break. Careless, yes, willful, no. Don’t exaggerate it, unless your sole purpose is to divert from the real problem of corruption. And why would the Dems not introduce it? How about a majority leader telling them he won’t bring it to the floor for a vote? Yeah, nice try.

By: Publius

Publius — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:02:07 +0000

I’m hanging my hat on your willful misrepresentation of fact – which discredits any point thereafter.

Moreover, it was the Democrats who failed to actually introduce Healthy Wisconsin in the Assembly – so nice try. Why wouldn’t they introduce it?

By: MoneyedPoliticians

MoneyedPoliticians — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:45:57 +0000

That’s a frivolous attack, Publius, but I would expect that from you and I stand corrected. You are trying to divert the conversation from factual political corruption, — which as I recall you support — to one misstatement.

As I recall that specific vote, the Republican assembly refused even to bring it to a vote. So no, that officially is not a negative vote. It’s a non-vote. Good guys they. My apologies.

But I am not wrong on Lasee’s opposition to Healthy Wisconsin and I am not wrong on his opposition to a clean electoral system. And I am not wrong on the heavy price paid by the insurance industry to kill the Healthy Wisconsin legislation and I am not wrong on the high costs to taxpayers for our corrupt political system.

So you go ahead and hang your hat on the insignificant.

By: Publius

Publius — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:55:49 +0000

My point is that you are always inaccurate and uninformed.

Please show me the vote in the Assembly. My $1000 offer stands.

By: MoneyedPoliticians

MoneyedPoliticians — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:34:23 +0000

It is my understanding that the entire Republican assembly ~~voted against~~ opposed HW, and that's why it failed. But you can be sure that he did not vote FOR it, and if present he would have voted against it because he has stated his opposition to it. At least, unless he is two-faced. That said, however, the point is that our corrupt political system killed Healthy Wisconsin. Or I suppose you'd like to argue that too.

By: Publius

Publius — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:43:00 +0000

“Cash from the insurance and health care industry blocked the passage of Healthy Wisconsin, and Lasee was right in there with his opposing vote.”

I’ll bet you $1000 you can’t find a record of Lasee’s vote on Healthy Wisconsin.